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Post by Victorian Gent on June 21st 2012, 7:20 pm

I have a question about board visualisation. When you visualise a position in your head, do you visualise it as an image of your real chessboard or instead as a diagram (i.e. like you get in a chess book)?
When I was a young guy, I useed to be able to play a whole game blindfold but coming back to chess after a couple of decades layoff, this is one skill which has declined (age and too much booze I suspect). At that time I remember I visualised a diagram, but I sort of feel it is more sensible to try to "see" an actual board.
What do others feel is best?
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Post by BorgQueen on June 21st 2012, 9:03 pm

My visualisation is not that graphic. I see a "knight", but I don't see a 2d knight or a 3d knight, I just see a knight.

But I suck at visualisation as I can't see the board either... just board sections.

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Re: Board visualisation

Post by Victorian Gent on June 22nd 2012, 8:04 am

Thanks for the reply.
Actually I think we all tend to see the board in sections, either when visualising or actually playing OTB. I was at my club last night and thought about this and realised that my eyes tended to rove over the board from section to section with the occasional "long view" to link them all together. I think my board visualisation is similar, which is probably a good thing since it simulates how I see for real.
In my job I work with some behavioural psychologists who study how consumers look at things like supermarket displays, etc and they seem to confirm that people use this "eye scanning" approach to take in a scene (rather than just taking a single "shot" of the whole scene) so perhaps the section by section approach is the natural way humans look at things.
I watched some of the video transmissions from the Anand/Gelfand match, and Gelfand at times sits with his face so close to the pieces, and you can se his eyes roving over the board, so i think even he looks at the actual board in sections at times.
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Post by PawnCustodian on June 22nd 2012, 10:07 am

Interesting. I still cannot clearly visualize the complete board, still, it is not unusual to walk away from a problem I couldn't solve at the board and later get the aha moment in my head.

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Post by Victorian Gent on June 22nd 2012, 11:13 am

I believe that one of the good signs of progress is when you can look at a diagram in a book, and then visualise the position in your mind, and then solve the problem.
I suspect this visualkisation thing is very hard, but very worthwhile to get good at. So I am going to persevere with the ICS directions exactly as they say....what have I got to lose, and it seems crazy to buy this course and then not do it exactly as the experts say
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Post by PawnCustodian on June 22nd 2012, 11:47 am

Victorian Gent wrote: it seems crazy to buy this course and then not do it exactly as the experts say
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Right on!

I once read that the primary responsibility of a parent is to find teachers for their children that they trust - then get out of the way....

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Re: Board visualisation

Post by Victorian Gent on June 23rd 2012, 1:23 pm

Aint that the truth!


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Re: Board visualisation

Post by supermoy on July 6th 2012, 4:54 pm

And It actually works Very Happy, my Board VIsualization increased amazingly after the three parts of the Board Visualization the ICS course gives you. Very Happy Good luck, keep on going, and you will see that for sure you will improve in blindfold, it's just anohter skill to train, like when you try to avoid tactical mistakes, and you want to excecute tactical blows, you have to practice,and make a big effort each time Smile

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Post by Victorian Gent on July 6th 2012, 6:10 pm

Thanks Supermoy. Do you only get 3 months of BV. I thought this was going to continue through the course? Still, guess can make up own exercises

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Post by supermoy on July 6th 2012, 8:49 pm

Yes i thought the same but they explained to me that you should continue by yourself, they just show you the way, they tell you how you should do it and they guide you through 3 months very well Smile. However if you follow right the directions you will notice that you won't need more guidance, by the end of the third mond, most of your tactical blunders will be gone just because of the board blind visualization Smile Razz, and your calculation power will be greater, you won't get tired easily plus other benefits that i'm sure you will find out Smile, but anyways , yes you can continue by yourself.

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Re: Board visualisation

Post by Victorian Gent on July 8th 2012, 5:05 am

Thanks Supermoy
Do you have any thougts on my original question (see top of this thread). i.e. what do you see in your head: board or diagram?
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Post by PawnCustodian on July 8th 2012, 10:06 am

There is an on-line program, ChessEye, that offers the opportunity to continue practice with similiar exercises to what ICS offers. It adds the ability to score your BV progress which provides some incentive to practice.

http://chesseye.alexander-fleischer.de/

I've enjoyed playing with it, but I really think that setting up positional exercises (such as are in months 9-13) is more effective.

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Genial, buen aporte.

Post by supermoy on July 8th 2012, 5:29 pm

PawnCustodian wrote:There is an on-line program, ChessEye, that offers the opportunity to continue practice with similiar exercises to what ICS offers. It adds the ability to score your BV progress which provides some incentive to practice.

http://chesseye.alexander-fleischer.de/

I've enjoyed playing with it, but I really think that setting up positional exercises (such as are in months 9-13) is more effective.
Genial, gracias por el aporte Smile.

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Re: Board visualisation

Post by supermoy on July 8th 2012, 5:32 pm

Usually you visualize it as a diagram, a 2 dimension board, if it's what you are asking about.
Also we tend to visualize just a section of the board Smile, and then another and then we try link them together, usually.

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